K-9 Superfuel...

http://www.k9power.com/k9_super_fuel.php
Anyone have any experience with this??? Please PM me thx!

Sounds to me like it is similar to doggie HGH or human growth hormones for dogs.

Now we will have to start having our dogs tested for Superfuel.

Just kidding, I have read about this sort of thing in my pheasants forever magazines but have never used it. They always kinda made me think they were doggie steroids and since steroids have a bad effect on humans I am sure a it would probably effect dogs the same way.

What do you think is steroidal about it???

Right now, at flyball tournaments I give Jubilee tons of nutrical to keep her energy up throughout the day as she is usually racing on two teams. I am trying to find a replacement.

Even if it was steroidal, dogs don't live as long as we do and I wouldn't expect the same reprocussions (note that does NOT say I will wrecklessly endanger my dog or anything else to be distorted...just discussing;)).

This is my own opinion and does not reflect anyone else's viewpoint. Just take this as me being the "devils" advocate.

Quote from their website:Hours of Power - K9 SUPER FUEL, dog performance supplement is the most advanced muscle building, performance enhancing formula in history. K9 SUPER FUEL super octane strength fuel component generates more muscle power, for longer, with less fatigue.

Now this is just me but I remember guys taking stuff in the locker room at school that was supposed to do the same thing and it made them more vulnerable to injury. And I have heard the argument dogs are dogs and not the same as humans, but from my nutritional science/anatomy classes in school I have learned that muscle built to quickly (or quicker than natural) whether it be human or dog is a bad thing.

Whatever, your dog just my thoughts. Not that the effects would be the same on dogs but it is my understanding that when HGH became big it promised the same thing and with baseball we have begun to see the effects of its use.

But, as for an alternative I was taught by several old time hunters that if you carry a bottle of Karo? syrup and a table spoon it will boost your dogs energy naturally and provides them with the calories and energy to keep going.

Again, if these products work for you thats great. And I more than encourage you to explore this product further. But I know that with proper conditioning a dog is more than capable of handling an all day run. Just ask the hunters on the forum, once dogs build into it they will be able to keep it up for a long time. And from what I understand about flyball your events are three or four days long and you run 2-4 times a day for maybe a total of two hours a day at a full run. And I know it is possible for dogs to be conditioned to the point of being able to run at full speed for hours without losing any speed, just come to some field Hunting Retriever Trials where the dogs run full speed over 100 yds and then return 4 times daily over a weekend.



Again, please don't take offense these are just my thoughts and I hate hate making people angry.

team sky wrote:This is my own opinion and does not reflect anyone else's viewpoint. Just take this as me being the "devils" advocate.

Quote from their website:Hours of Power - K9 SUPER FUEL, dog performance supplement is the most advanced muscle building, performance enhancing formula in history. K9 SUPER FUEL super octane strength fuel component generates more muscle power, for longer, with less fatigue.

Now this is just me but I remember guys taking stuff in the locker room at school that was supposed to do the same thing and it made them more vulnerable to injury. And I have heard the argument dogs are dogs and not the same as humans, but from my nutritional science/anatomy classes in school I have learned that muscle built to quickly (or quicker than natural) whether it be human or dog is a bad thing.

Whatever, your dog just my thoughts. Not that the effects would be the same on dogs but it is my understanding that when HGH became big it promised the same thing and with baseball we have begun to see the effects of its use.

But, as for an alternative I was taught by several old time hunters that if you carry a bottle of Karo? syrup and a table spoon it will boost your dogs energy naturally and provides them with the calories and energy to keep going.

Again, if these products work for you thats great. And I more than encourage you to explore this product further. But I know that with proper conditioning a dog is more than capable of handling an all day run. Just ask the hunters on the forum, once dogs build into it they will be able to keep it up for a long time. And from what I understand about flyball your events are three or four days long and you run 2-4 times a day for maybe a total of two hours a day at a full run. And I know it is possible for dogs to be conditioned to the point of being able to run at full speed for hours without losing any speed, just come to some field Hunting Retriever Trials where the dogs run full speed over 100 yds and then return 4 times daily over a weekend.



Again, please don't take offense these are just my thoughts and I hate hate making people angry.

Don't worry...I am not the type to get super excited over topics on a board lol. This is why I posted this. I have no idea about this stuff and I WANT to hear opinions:) Acutally Jubilee runs on two flyball teams at tourneys and sometimes as a start dog. Start dogs potentially run up to three times more than the average dog on a team. I don't know about other states but Florida runs two day tournaments and we usually race from 8am to about 6pm (Ufli was 7am to 9pm with singles and I NEEDED THE FUEL HAHAHA). As an example, the upcoming tournament, both teams are running 3/5 and there are six races each team each day. The problem with running two teams that we occassionally run into is that she runs back to back at certain points throughout the day. She does well and at this point I am not overly concerned about her condition. I just would like to supplement her throughout the day and I will not feed her period. I am not going to risk her bloating or getting sick. We cruise through about four tubes of nutrical a tournament and I am just trying to feel out what else is out there. I may look into the Karo too and do some research. It would certainly be more natural and less expensive lol. Thanks for your input!

Maybe our vets can look over the list and tell what is bad in this stuff??
I don't understand what everything is, but it looks all natrual to me.

Guaranteed Analysis Crude Protein 30% - 8 grams
Crude Fat Min 28% - 7 grams
Crude Fiber Max - 7%
Moisture - 7% maximum
Calories Per Serving - 128 Kcal
Serving size 1 scoop - (26g)
Sucrose, Trans fat, Corn Syrup - Zero
Vitamins Per Serving:
A - 101.3 IU
D - 10.8 IU
C - 2.5 mg **
Lycopene - 2 mg **
Lutein - 2 mg **
Alpha/Beta Carotene - 2 mg **
E - 25.7 mg ***
K - 54 mcg **
Thiamin (B1) - 27 mcg
Riboflavin (B2) - 68 mcg
Pantothenic Acid - 2.7 mg
Niacin - 3 mg
Pyridoxine (B6) - 30 mcg
Folacin (Folic Acid) - 25 mcg
Biotin - 0.1 mcg
B12 - 0.1 mcg
Choline - 169 mg
Inositol - 11 mcg
P.A. Benzoic Acid - 10 mcg
Minerals Per Serving:
Calcium - 200.9 mg
Phosphorus - 150.3 mg
Potassium - 525 mg
Sodium - 15 mg
Chloride - 23 mg
Magnesium - 553.5 mg
Iron - 10 mcg
Copper - 10 mcg
Manganese - 10 mcg
Zinc - 1 mg
Iodine - 1.62 mcg
Selenium - 0.3 mcg
Chromium - 0.0001 mcg **
Boron - 0.0002 mcg **
Vanadyl Sulfate - 0.0001 mcg **
50 Trace Minerals - 0.0001 mcg **

I don't see anything in there that I am overly concerned with (some of the ingredients are ones I would have to research, however, because I am not aware of their actions ). However, I always add up the ingredients with whatever I give my dogs for food, treats, etc. Too much of certain vitamins, minerals, and ingredients can be an issue.

My problem with our dogs is that they won't drink water at events (go figure, right? ). So, I had looked into supplements that are added to water. I found one, but only after doing all the comparisons I mentioned. And I only give it at events and spread it out between all of Team Blabador.

There are some harmful products that people give their dogs. Absoultely! And even products that are deemed "safe" can be harmful to certain individuals.

But, I don't see anything alarming off the top of my head, but again, I'd have to do a little research!

I took a quick look at the products on their site and I have heard of them before... although I don't personally know anyone who had used this particular brand. Personally, I tend to shy away from products that sound/look as "flash, bang, glamour" and gimicky as their website makes the product sound. Of course, that's just my personal preference. I prefer to see a good product that speaks for itself, rather than one that has lots of fancy packaging and "flashy fireworks" type talk in its description.

Again, I don't have any personal experience with this product, however, so I can't really speak for its level of effectiveness. It may very well be a nice working product.

I have seen a couple bad reactions in dogs with "super fuel" type supplements. Each was basically the result of the dog "ODing" on the sugars, etc. in the bar/supplement. The outward result was uncontrolled shaking, anxiousness, pacing, etc. It took them a few hours to calm back down. I'm not sure about internal reactions, as I don't believe either went to a vet shortly after.

Unfortunately, supplements (especially non-human supplements) are not closely regulated at all. Companies can make all sorts of claims (even with the use of terms like "all natural" and the like) and there isn't really much at all in place to enforce claims and the quality of ingredients.

There is a animal supplements certifying organization that some companies belong to... I can't remember the name right now and will have to look it up if anyone is curious about it.

Interesting stuff. I have not heard of the K9 Fuel. I know Anna Balasamo (DockDogs) uses some supplements, including PowerBoost from CPN for Pico. She sent some samples for Bailey to try. He, like lots of other dogs, does not drink enough water at the events. We'll give it a whirl at the Premier.

http://k9performance.com/pages/powerboost.html

Team Irish wrote:Interesting stuff. I have not heard of the K9 Fuel. I know Anna Balasamo (DockDogs) uses some supplements, including PowerBoost from CPN for Pico. She sent some samples for Bailey to try. He, like lots of other dogs, does not drink enough water at the events. We'll give it a whirl at the Premier.

Jillian,

We use that at events to get the blabs to drink more too. It works like a charm, but be prepared for MANY more trips outside, especially right when you get him out of the crate to go to the dock (many a blab pee-pee accident, I'm afraid).

Colby and Brie are on Power Boost and they love it!! So much so that they are sponsored by them!! It get them to drink WAY MORE at events and I think that dog staying hydrated is the most important part of competition whatever sport you are involved in.

I completely agree. Proper hydration is key. I personally don't feel Bailey drinks enough at events or at home. Any tricks to get them more to drink at home? Perhaps one of those fresh doggie fountains would do the trick.

We have one of those automatic horse watering bucket systems. The bucket is always full. All I have to do it drain it every two weeks and swish it out, to keep the water from getting scummy. They all seem to like it. We also have it in the hallway going outside so they go past it every time they go in and out.

Thanks you guys! You just got me thinking. Rocky drinks great at home, but doesn't drink much at events. The last two events we went to Newman drank all the water and Rocky didn't drink anything. I know he swims with his mouth open and is taking in a bit of water that way. But his last two events haven't been jumps. I wonder if there is a connection??

labpaw wrote:I don't see anything in there that I am overly concerned with (some of the ingredients are ones I would have to research, however, because I am not aware of their actions ). However, I always add up the ingredients with whatever I give my dogs for food, treats, etc. Too much of certain vitamins, minerals, and ingredients can be an issue.

My problem with our dogs is that they won't drink water at events (go figure, right? ). So, I had looked into supplements that are added to water. I found one, but only after doing all the comparisons I mentioned. And I only give it at events and spread it out between all of Team Blabador.

There are some harmful products that people give their dogs. Absoultely! And even products that are deemed "safe" can be harmful to certain individuals.

But, I don't see anything alarming off the top of my head, but again, I'd have to do a little research!

I worry about over supplementation too Alisa. I get concerned because depending on how much we are running we go through quite a bit of nutrical and I was wondering if that wasn't such a good idea either. I am really up for any suggestions. I posted the same question on the lab board and this was one of my replies just so we all know how much racing I am talking about here...

She is racing on two teams and at times she is racing in start position which means she can race up to three times more than the other dogs on a team (early starts). Racing usually takes all day although SHE is not racing all day. I do feed her breakfast because we get up 2-3 hours before she ever hits the ring. The actual lane is only 52 feet but I start her back about 50 feet so she runs full tilt 200 feet at a time round trip. This next tournament she is racing on two teams. Each team is racing six races three heats a race minimum so she is potentially running thirty six times each day not including reruns and warm ups etc. More than anyone wanted to know I'm sure. SO since she doesn't get to eat until the day is done (we start at 8 and usually done around 6pm), I would like to give her some support throughout the day. Does she have to have it, no probably not, however she is one of the fastest dogs we have and a lot of time the tens and hundreths of a second count. I also worry about her fatiguing as sometimes we run back to back races.