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Post by TorachiKatashi on Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:25 am

I'd like to start by saying that I have been watching this site and these forums for a few days now, and it seems as though you all have a very tight-knit community that I indeed hope to one day be a part of. I love seeing dog owners who enjoy doing more with their dogs than laying on the couch and watching TV, and of all the dog sports I've researched, dock jumping certainly seems to be by far the most fun-oriented (i.e. the reason people do it is because their dogs love it, and any titles and points they may earn along the way is just a lucky bonus.)

As it stands, this is unfortunately not a sport I will be able to become a part of until I move in the future (which could be any number of years from now), but there is still something that concerns me, despite my not being involved.

It's surely no secret that dock jumping is a Lab dominated sport (not by skill per se, but by numbers), but another breed I have seen many of are our beautiful APBTs. One of the dogs who I will hopefully get involved with in the future is a Boxer/Pitbull, which is why this issue is close to my heart.

I was looking through the events list, and it seems to me as though there are a few events UAD will be attending that are held in towns that have discriminatory laws against Pitbulls and other "dangerous" breeds. It is my understanding that Dearborn, Michigan where "Mutt Strut" is held has breed specific restrictions (not necessarily a ban, but still discriminatory laws nonetheless), along with the entire state of Ohio which has ridiculous restrictions on Pitbulls. There are also many towns in Ohio that ban Pitbulls entirely, including Cincinnati where "Everything Pets Expo" is held. There may be more that I did not pick out, as the BSL list I was referencing hasn't been updated recently.

I understand that it is as simple as, "Well, don't go to those events," but I can't help but feel that it in poor taste for UAD to attend events in locations that discriminates against many - or ANY - of their jumpers. Many of these events are two or three days long, which means anyone coming from far away for the event will be in a hotel. Plus three meals a day at the event or at surrounding restaurants - these are all expenses that are going to support towns that tell us that our beloved friends are not welcome.

I personally feel that for UAD to boycott these events would be a great show of support for the current (and future) members who cannot bring their gentle, loyal companions to these places without having to conform to ridiculous restrictions, if at all, and I would like to hear from Milt and even the other forum members as to what their feelings on this issue are.

Thank you for your time.

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Post by Milt on Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:27 pm

There are lots of issues out there to get involved in. Should we not do events in states that allow abortions, horse racing, dog racing, capital punishment, casino gambling or any other hot topic issues. If you have been to our events you will then understand what UAD is about. We promote all breeds of dogs and want people to understand that Pits or bully breeds are not mean but trained by mean people to do what they do. I feel that us doing events in these areas help promote dogs of all kinds and letting people hear about us talking about pits and bully breeds will help those breeds in the long run. The way you feel about pits or bullys are your own views and the way you support them are your choice. We put on events for people to bring out their dogs to and have fun and we try not to be political. Milt
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Post by Rajah on Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:31 pm

Let me just add that that we have been to many of the jumps that are in counties/cities that restrict pits. I live in a county that has many laws against pits as well... we are just fortunate that we are in a township of the county that isn't that way. We've had TONS of people within those restricted areas that give us big compliments on our pits and how great they are. It just shows these areas that they really aren't bad dogs. If everyone who had pits just avoided these areas then some people would never realize how great they really can be.
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Post by Phoenix on Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:53 pm

Unfortunately owning this breed comes with living with restrictions sometimes. And honestly if you want to go to an event that has breed regulations in place it is the best policy to follow those local laws. While following the local laws, if your dog is well trained and socialized, you will change more minds than just ignoring what the law says. You will build a lot of respect from locals if you follow their laws and in the mean time show them how wonderful the dog is.

In my opinion UAD is too large of an organization to be able to research every city they go into to know if the APBT's are allowed. Milt has always made it well known that our ABPT's are always welcome at his events and that he has no bias against any dog. But to ask for an organization to stop holding events where a certain breed might be banned is hard to do.

Unfortunately this is just a part of owning this wonderful breed. It is a never ending battle.

That said we did go jump at the Anderson's in the Toledo, OH area with our APBT's and had no issues. We have done Mutt Strut in the past as well with no problems. There are a few cities I would never go to if there was a jump there like Denver, CO due to their laws but this should not be Milt's responsibility to figure out where APBT's are allowed and where they are not. We are just grateful for the opportunities we do get to jump and share our wonderful dogs.
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Post by TorachiKatashi on Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:37 pm

It's not really about whether the Pitbulls can go to those events or not, it's that by going to these places and spending money, even if it's something as minute as $50 for gas on your way home, the taxes from those purchases go to support BSL laws in those towns. If ten people attend this event who would not have if UAD had not been there, and each spend $50, and the sales tax is 5.5%, then that's $27.50 that was just earned to support the laws that don't want us there to begin with. That's enough for a shelter to put two innocent Pits to sleep. I mean, it's like saying, "We don't support war," but then turning around and buying a shipment of conflict diamonds because you, "don't want to get political."

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Post by llcnet on Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:42 pm

I think that you should be more concerned about where the majority of your $$ is spent.
I'm sure if you read all of the tags, 70% of everything you own was made in another country.
However, you or your parents earn their money here in the United States of America in order to pay for the dog you love.
If you are lucky, there will be Dock Jumping in China or India when you have to move there to get a job.

I agree with Rajah and Phoenix. It is good for people to see the responsible owners and nice dogs.

We were attacked by a pitbull at the local park while riding our horses. It was fortunate for us (humans) that we were on the horses, but unfortunate for Jack the horse... he spent 3 days at the vet hospital and 2 months healing a large bite wound.

My exposure to the pitbulls and mixes at UAD has softened my view of them as a breed.


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Post by Phoenix on Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:06 pm

I don't know how much Milt gets for an event. But these areas are paying Milt to come in to do his event. Which means they are paying a non BSL organization and one who speaks VERY highly of Pits and will put that word out in a BSL area. What a great way for a BSL town to spend their money than to bring a NON BSL organization in. I won't worry about my gas money/food money in the BSL areas. Most of the people who live in BSL areas don't agree with the BSL that is there. It is a political thing mostly. So I personally will not stop spending money at a gas station or fast food place in these areas as they all deserve to have a job as well.

Do you also expect the United Kennel Club to not hold events in areas where there is BSL? They are a non-BSL organization and just last year we attended an Obedience trial in a city that has BSL. As an organization as a whole UAD, UKC, AKC, Splash Dog, and Dock Dogs etc. are all too large to be able to know where BSL is at all times as it is ever changing.

It is our responsibility as pit owners to 1. Reflect the breed in a good light at all times. 2. To know where the BSL issues are especially when traveling and 3. Do everything we can to fight BSL.

By getting on an organization like UAD for holding an even in a BSL area we are really not accomplishing anything. Our time would better be spent writing letters, making phone calls or emailing the areas who have BSL to have our voices heard.

And yes I do have pits just encase some do not know that along with German Shorthaired Pointers.
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Post by Kel on Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:04 pm

While I do not have APBTs, I do have German Shepherd Dogs... who have, in some areas, fallen victim to breed restrictions/bans as well.

I think that one of the best ways to get out there and change minds is to support and attend events in BSL areas, in order to show the public in those locations what all the APBTs, GSDs, Rotts, Dobes, etc. are really like... that they are not bad dogs, but just breeds often used and abused by bad people to do bad things. UAD is definitely one of the most outspoken all-breed groups out there when it comes to supporting Pits and other BSL targetted breeds. I cannot count the number of times I have heard Milt, while announcing at an event, talk about how great Pits are and how unfortunate it is that they are so misunderstood. He also tends to joke a lot when a Pit goes up on the dock about how the only danger he poses is that he might lick you to death. There is no other organization I have competed with who has made such a big, public point of supporting BSL targeted breeds.

I agree with Beth. Getting on an organization that works so hard to show they are anti-BSL is time that could be much better spent contacting and talking with the government reps in BSL areas in order to educate them on what these breeds are really like and hopefully change their minds when it comes to laws of this sort.
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Post by AmphibiousAssaultDogTeam on Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:08 pm

What i really love about going to UAD events is going to see the wide assortment of dogs at the events. From Chesapeke Bay Retrievers, Pitbulls, Portugese waterdogs, Jack Russels, to mix breeds. If it barks, Ultimate air dogs has probably had it there(except for maybe basset hounds due to bone density). Milt and Brian are always helpful with any dog breed. It is an honor being around all of the dogs at these events and I would hate too see events being yanked because of these short minded laws. I am not a politician and I am not very idealistic, but when I go to an event I am there to have fun....not raise awareness about local laws and protest. I hope that you come to our events though so you can see the enjoyment all the dogs have and see that milt has no problems with pitbulls.
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Post by MaraLee on Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:56 pm

I believe that Prejudice is bred by Ignorance, whether it be canine or human.

Honestly, those who know me will be shocked to hear this, but due to negative stereotypes perpretrated by much of our society and the media, I was terrified of pitbulls when we first became involved in the sport, over six years ago.

That was when I met Misha. A pit who had just lost her owner a week beforehand in the Iraq war. She was/is the sweetest dog I've ever met. Her grandma, Darcy, became one of my close friends.

Then, I met Heather and Anna, and their whole bully bunch. I can't even begin to tell you what their friendship means to my family. They have embraced my daughter, becoming her "Aunts." When I see them at an event now, I get kisses all over my face from each of their APBT's. Meeting the new gray puppy at our last event, I wanted to take him home with me! (Sorry ladies, that I can't remember his name.)

Then, there is Rajah. He is a sweet, loving boy, with a great family. (You've met them on here.)

Anyway, long story---short.... if it were not for my exposure to the sport of Dock Diving, I would still be Ignorant and Prejudiced against pits.

Milt does so much to educate the audience while announcing, when we have a pit on the dock (and there are many involved in the sport, now.) In my opinion the best way to fight prejudice is with knowledge.

We each chose not only which battles to fight, but how to fight them. That is the beauty of being American.

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